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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:29 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:45 pm 
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At the risk of committing heresy and/or criticism for derailing the topic; perhaps also consider whether you need a bigger TMIC right now or at all.

FYI I plan to avoid the TMIC upgrade as long as possible (eg until the issue is forced by fitment or flow requirements of a bigger turbo).

The reason is heat-soak.

I have a standard (for now) SH Turbo in which I run the torque app (showing intake temperature and ignition timing among other things) constantly while driving.

Getting the car on boost doesn't seem to affect intake temperature very much or at all. The intercooler seems to be doing its job just fine for performance driving. HOWEVER, sitting in traffic (even for a minute) or leaving the car parked for 20 mins then re-staring shows my intake temps climb to 40-55 degrees Celsius (depending on conditions) and it only settles down again after (say) five minutes of non-stop driving.

It's no fun at all pulling out of a car park with a hot intercooler and having an unresponsive car at the next traffic light grand prix (the ignition timing gets pulled way back when the intake temp is high - confirmed on the torque app display).

I haven't even owned/driven the car through a full Qld summer yet, so we'll see what sort of intake temp maximums we'll get on 35-40 degree days.

It occurs to me that a bigger TMIC with more thermal mass would still soak up engine heat pretty quickly and then take much longer to cool down again via normal driving because the incoming ambient air can only work so fast to cool a bigger chunk of hot aluminium.

I'll also add that two Subaru specialist mechanics i've spoken to (Subi Evolution and John French Motors) are not big advocates of the bigger TMIC upgrade for my short term intentions (same turbo, bigger exhaust and a tune). John French Motors speak with some pride about one of their competition cars (perhaps a Liberty - i forget) getting big kilowatts with the standard air intake and standard intercooler.

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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:23 pm 
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Yeah I've got a process west tmic in mine and it was pretty much one of the last mods I've done in mine after everything else . Foz was running fine with stock tmic and a52 just off the hook now haha

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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:29 pm 
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Location: Brisbane
Yowie wrote:
At the risk of committing heresy and/or criticism for derailing the topic; perhaps also consider whether you need a bigger TMIC right now or at all.

FYI I plan to avoid the TMIC upgrade as long as possible (eg until the issue is forced by fitment or flow requirements of a bigger turbo).

The reason is heat-soak.

I have a standard (for now) SH Turbo in which I run the torque app (showing intake temperature and ignition timing among other things) constantly while driving.

Getting the car on boost doesn't seem to affect intake temperature very much or at all. The intercooler seems to be doing its job just fine for performance driving. HOWEVER, sitting in traffic (even for a minute) or leaving the car parked for 20 mins then re-staring shows my intake temps climb to 40-55 degrees Celsius (depending on conditions) and it only settles down again after (say) five minutes of non-stop driving.

It's no fun at all pulling out of a car park with a hot intercooler and having an unresponsive car at the next traffic light grand prix (the ignition timing gets pulled way back when the intake temp is high - confirmed on the torque app display).

I haven't even owned/driven the car through a full Qld summer yet, so we'll see what sort of intake temp maximums we'll get on 35-40 degree days.

It occurs to me that a bigger TMIC with more thermal mass would still soak up engine heat pretty quickly and then take much longer to cool down again via normal driving because the incoming ambient air can only work so fast to cool a bigger chunk of hot aluminium.

I'll also add that two Subaru specialist mechanics i've spoken to (Subi Evolution and John French Motors) are not big advocates of the bigger TMIC upgrade for my short term intentions (same turbo, bigger exhaust and a tune). John French Motors speak with some pride about one of their competition cars (perhaps a Liberty - i forget) getting big kilowatts with the standard air intake and standard intercooler.


This tuner only recommends a tmic upgrade above 200kws atw give or take..won't do any harm upgrading it better of saving 1K for something else

OT torque app any good?

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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:35 pm 
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It has been said in the past, it's only beneficial to upgrade the TMIC if you planning to pushing more than 200-250kW; the OEM TMIC is capable running to 200kWish before it is limiting and of course, if the plastic breaks/cracks in the TMIC.

Upgrading the TMIC would do something, just not as much as if you were pushing more than 250kW.

Edit: Bmw23 bet me to it! :lol:

I only bought my Mishimoto TMIC because there was a group buy and it looks OEM.

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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:38 pm 
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Vehicle: MY10 xtp - gunmetal grey

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Yowie wrote:
At the risk of committing heresy and/or criticism for derailing the topic; perhaps also consider whether you need a bigger TMIC right now or at all.

FYI I plan to avoid the TMIC upgrade as long as possible (eg until the issue is forced by fitment or flow requirements of a bigger turbo).

The reason is heat-soak.

I have a standard (for now) SH Turbo in which I run the torque app (showing intake temperature and ignition timing among other things) constantly while driving.

Getting the car on boost doesn't seem to affect intake temperature very much or at all. The intercooler seems to be doing its job just fine for performance driving. HOWEVER, sitting in traffic (even for a minute) or leaving the car parked for 20 mins then re-staring shows my intake temps climb to 40-55 degrees Celsius (depending on conditions) and it only settles down again after (say) five minutes of non-stop driving.

It's no fun at all pulling out of a car park with a hot intercooler and having an unresponsive car at the next traffic light grand prix (the ignition timing gets pulled way back when the intake temp is high - confirmed on the torque app display).

I haven't even owned/driven the car through a full Qld summer yet, so we'll see what sort of intake temp maximums we'll get on 35-40 degree days.

It occurs to me that a bigger TMIC with more thermal mass would still soak up engine heat pretty quickly and then take much longer to cool down again via normal driving because the incoming ambient air can only work so fast to cool a bigger chunk of hot aluminium.

I'll also add that two Subaru specialist mechanics i've spoken to (Subi Evolution and John French Motors) are not big advocates of the bigger TMIC upgrade for my short term intentions (same turbo, bigger exhaust and a tune). John French Motors speak with some pride about one of their competition cars (perhaps a Liberty - i forget) getting big kilowatts with the standard air intake and standard intercooler.


you pritty much hit the nail on the head with this info thanks alot it is a consideration i have thought of many times, the plans for the car so far are a refurbed vf52 i have sitting here and a retune to acompany the 3inch zorst and coldair intake i will see how the standard intercooler goes first its definatly not my first mod i have done or wanted just looking for the future but ill get full potential out of the stock one before going aftermarket


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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:08 pm 
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Bmw23 wrote:

OT torque app any good?


For the price ($5 download and $5-$125 bluetooth adapter depending on what you get) it is excellent.

I ran it on my mobile phone (stuck to the windscreen) for a bit but have since had installed a Parrot brand double-din full android touchscreen stereo and installed the App on that.

My standard "extra dashboard" on the stereo shows:-

- Vacuum/boost (big dial bar)
- coolant, ambient and intake temps, GPS-derived speed & % fuel remaining (5 small digital readouts)
- Air/Fuel ratio (1/2 dial needle)
- timing advance/retard (1/2 dial needle)
- ignition advance (1/2 dial needle)
- Mass Air Flow in grams/second (1/2 dial bar)
- Fuel Flow in cc/min (1/2 dial bar)
- revs (tiny full dial needle) - just to see the peak hold.

For a phone (smaller screen) its best not to try to fit so much stuff on the one display (but you can swipe between many screens). A phone can also be closer to your eye-line while driving, which is great if you watch the data "live".

Nearly all of the displays show highest and lowest recorded values, so you can concentrate on the road when you give the car a fang then check afterwards what your peak data was.

I find it fascinating to see what the car is doing under certain conditions. Eg if you're cruising down a hill with your foot off the throttle the fuel flow is about 20-30cc/min and the AFR goes to about 20:1 (very lean). Rest your foot on the throttle and you go back to 150cc/min and stoichiometric (14.7:1 approx). Stomp on the throttle to rev it out and you get to 10:1 AFR and 1000-1500cc/min (!) of fuel consumption.

It also allows you to use & play around with a lot of gauges without drilling holes in your real dashboard or making the inside of the car look non-standard.

CONS

It's probably not as good as a multi-thousand dollar digital dash or a tastefully set up cluster of aftermarket gauges by a long shot. More specifically my list of complaints are:-

- bluetooth adapters can be hit & miss. My first one worked great with the phone but triggered CEL errors with the stereo. My 2nd (cheaper) one works with the stereo needs to be "woken up" by unplugging and re-plugging it in to the OBD port quite a bit.

- for the stereo install the "peak hold" resets if i change the headlight operation or drop out of Torque to change the music. Not a problem on a phone of course.

- the "other" dashboards you can set up and swipe to don't log any data while they are not the active screen (although i'm sure there are data logging features i'm ignorant of).

All very livable drawbacks for the price and functionality.


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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:13 pm 
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Update on my waffle above.

On speaking to a tuner this week; it turns out the intake temp sensor that sends info to the Torque App is in or around the air box (not after the intercooler).

So, while my comments on heat-soak may well be true; i can't back them up with intake temp data like i thought i could.

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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:28 am 
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hi guys, not too sure if I'm in the right spot to post this (if not can someone point me the way) Anyway i've been looking at getting the grimmspeed tmic, my car is a rhd 2013 wrx, sorry i know its not a foz, everyone on this forum just seemed to know alot so I'm giving it as a shot. has anyone had success with fitting the grimmspeed tmic to rhd vehicles as the people over at grimmspeed haven't tried top fit it to rhd vehicles so they are unable to answer my question.

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 Post subject: Re: were to obtain a process west tmic
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:24 am 
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Vehicle: MY09 SH Forester XT Premium

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Yowie wrote:
At the risk of committing heresy and/or criticism for derailing the topic; perhaps also consider whether you need a bigger TMIC right now or at all.

FYI I plan to avoid the TMIC upgrade as long as possible (eg until the issue is forced by fitment or flow requirements of a bigger turbo).

The reason is heat-soak.

I have a standard (for now) SH Turbo in which I run the torque app (showing intake temperature and ignition timing among other things) constantly while driving.

Getting the car on boost doesn't seem to affect intake temperature very much or at all. The intercooler seems to be doing its job just fine for performance driving. HOWEVER, sitting in traffic (even for a minute) or leaving the car parked for 20 mins then re-staring shows my intake temps climb to 40-55 degrees Celsius (depending on conditions) and it only settles down again after (say) five minutes of non-stop driving.

It's no fun at all pulling out of a car park with a hot intercooler and having an unresponsive car at the next traffic light grand prix (the ignition timing gets pulled way back when the intake temp is high - confirmed on the torque app display).

I haven't even owned/driven the car through a full Qld summer yet, so we'll see what sort of intake temp maximums we'll get on 35-40 degree days.

It occurs to me that a bigger TMIC with more thermal mass would still soak up engine heat pretty quickly and then take much longer to cool down again via normal driving because the incoming ambient air can only work so fast to cool a bigger chunk of hot aluminium.

I'll also add that two Subaru specialist mechanics i've spoken to (Subi Evolution and John French Motors) are not big advocates of the bigger TMIC upgrade for my short term intentions (same turbo, bigger exhaust and a tune). John French Motors speak with some pride about one of their competition cars (perhaps a Liberty - i forget) getting big kilowatts with the standard air intake and standard intercooler.


I'm looking into a thermal fan an mounting it on top of the TMIC.
I found a cheap 9" fan I might put on just for an experiment.
Kit doesn't come with much. I'll have to look into a switch, relay and fuse.


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