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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:09 am 
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Let me see... I know a few workshops now using my Long Term Fuel Trim hack(putting the LV D range above 80) since the EVO and other factory ECU's have a similar hack.


I changed mine based on the discussions on the RR forum. I have no idea where it originated from, and certainly won't just blindly copy tables out of other tunes for the heck of it, but it does seem to imply that some of these ideas are not yours exclusively. It took me a while to figure out I needed to add tune.hex to my LV folder :lol:

I don't think the vendor's section is the correct place to sledge TH, and hope that my questions doesn't come across as such - your willingness to share knowledge is greatly appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:41 pm 
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Some people may call it sledging, others who have been there and done that will understand it very clearly for what it really is.

Just because a person is a vendor does not mean they right, speak the gospel or are not accountable for their actions or statements.

Nor does it mean I am right but the difference is, I don't propagate verbal diarrhea.

If they put themselves out on a public forum then they will naturally have to face public comment, positive and negative.

Is it “sledging” to ask a simple question without a long winded reply or a link of an individual post to how great someone is, without clearly answering it?

Is it sledging when the reply contains an unusual amount of bull which is designed to confuse, lead people down another path or is full of self-proclamation, that someone questions the content of the reply?

What has been said time and time again has been just some friendly advice to those who maybe, “cannot see the forest for the trees”.

How they take it is up to them.

You will see a common theme with the replies no matter what the forum may be. My head hurts from looking at the well and truly over 20 plus forums that he has been involved in and unfortunately quite often……………….a lot of questions get asked and not many answers really. (yeah I have time off and got bored)

The thing is, once someone makes a comment on the net it is there forever. Have a look there is plenty about. Whether it be throttlehappy, throttlehappy46, throttlehappy346, iamhappy46 or any other “alias” (that’s what they say on current affair don’t they???), there is plenty of comment both positive and negative, how you view it is up to you. I'm just trying to make people aware.

Don’t get me wrong there is clearly some great stuff going on that the community, mainly on romraider sure does use and need, but how this fits in with the Subaru world and how we benefit from (time will tell). Some people sure do get around, LS1, multiple shopping trolley, nissan and pulsar forums to name a few (not to mention mazda and mitsu as well). Oh and don't forget the various multiple subaru forums and there are a few.

Comment is good for everybody.

So how does that make you feel for the “Subaru specialist” or whatever it is this year?, who is not only an engineer, but a mechanic and a motoring journalist as well………………….. wow there sure isn't enough hours in the day.

Now this may not be the correct place to say this, but believe me there are others out there that feel the same.

Now where did I leave that horse…………ahhh here it is ("sure is tall"), next to my flame suit and banned poster ha ha ha.

But that is what makes throttlehappy tunes different.................. yep I hate Bull-****!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:48 am 
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Diatribe? Most people can understand a concept once it is explained. The software is quite simple once you know how the numbers affect things.

Lack of communication? Yes I have busy periods at home and staying on top of it is difficult but achievable. Wife 'stars' my emails and sometimes misses their importance if it is a new subject rather than replying to an email conversation style(like a few of yours that got misplaced) but makes you wonder why I get some many emails from people wanting me to fix this or that, or ask me why x tuner did this to my tune or Y tuner did this.

Yes, I have a relatively high IQ that developed something unique hence the post about the theft... confusion though? Maybe I should just reply with a vague answer. Maybe that AVCS Oil Control Valve thread causing boost spikes went a bit above peoples heads? Try and find an explanation on the cause and effect from any one else though... Best one I heard was from a tuner claiming to a customer it was caused by a tune until it was found in stock tunes as well. I patiently EXPLAIN, even if it takes people 10 times to read it, the concept filters in :)
So in relation to the theft of my material, does that mean that if these tuners think my work is 'open source' then technically I could post every single ROM I have ever collected with a listing of mods done onto RomRaider? Surely the tuners involved will appreciate that right? :o

Yes, travelling works for a few days every few weeks and long hours or odd work hours work for me... I can sit back and relax. If I am so 'bank balance' driven, explain to me why previous customers get priority in bookings? I flew to Cairns to do mikthedino's car and because he was moving house on the night I was there, I did his car in priority to a paying customer... You automatically jump to the conclusion I must be a 6 pack short of a carton for a business model right? :drinks:

Also, it can be done to the ones which do not use CANBUS with some difficulty... craig747400 having the S Edition throttle blip on auto downshift is proof of that :)

damo67 wrote:
LOL No Matt funnily enough I didn't miss that amongst the diatribe that is always present in any post by you. So it can't be done for the earlier ones that don't use CANBUS, fair enough.
But there it is, the subtle self promotion that you are so good at, "is there a degree for that"?
Still I am quite surprised that the reply was so small normally it is much larger, If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your ****, hey Matt??? Thats what you normally do. :dontknow:
Anyway it seems more people are leaving the TH train due to the usual lack of or should i say crap of communication .................
Mate one final thing, so your saying that flying around the country doing "backyard tunes" in carparks around the place for extra long days then flying to another place to do it again and again for a week or so is better for your health than staying at home with your family?? ha ha ha now your just kidding yourself. Seriously you need to realign your perception on work/life.
But as they say "Some people live upside down. They like to talk out their ass and the only thing that comes out of their mouths is ****". Some people can't even smell it, they are so used to it!!
The ONLY thing it is good for is your bank balance, and that is it.
Tweeds asked a question, I see you conveniently missed that one old bean. :dontknow:
Anyway I'm off to do something useful. Have a good one and all the best to your young family.
ciao :drinks:


Yes, thankfully after STiLyn82 from rexnet realised that his claims of me turning off knock control were false after a long winded explanation and some pretty screenshots plus some independant backup to discount the 'theory' so please tell me how much bull was in that other than a calm, patient reply of a technical but well constructed answer.

Wow, 20 plus forums? I think your looking at forum members who have the same username... I found references to 'throttle happy' on the EVO forums, it was not me since it was a guy who was saying he was throttle happy. Looked hard on mazda forums... not a sign of me signing up in sight! throttlehappy346 based on his youtube channel is not me... thinking your looking for aliases in google right? Maybe your referring to the boostcruising forum where I was Technical Moderator of the year a few times before it went commercialised after its sale last year? Oh wait, Suddenly this 20+ is a mild oversight on your part. Plenty of members on here are in that many forums already :roll: yet a quick count reveals 14, 5 of which I was asked to join up to discuss stuff that had come up regarding cars etc.
Geez, I was half expecting you to have found a brazzers throttle happy account claiming it was mine :drinks:

Yes, I did my apprenticeship while I was still at school... I did my HSC plus I can obviously string a sentence together well enough to get into University studying IT with some Multimedia courses(3D modelling which is part of the the stolen software I mentioned previously etc) so while I was at Uni, I was Editor of the Southern Cross University Student Magazine, wrote the Student Diary for 3 years in a row and wrote articles for the National Union of Students when Voluntary Student Unionism was being introduced... amongst my commitments as the Student Unions Social Events Organiser. Not long after Uni, I smashed my ankle pretty badly and with a long term recovery, I chose to study again externally. So suddenly, the hours I do, the times I can stay up working or for that matter replying to posts at odd hours on the interwebz makes sense.

damo67 wrote:
Some people may call it sledging, others who have been there and done that will understand it very clearly for what it really is.
Just because a person is a vendor does not mean they right, speak the gospel or are not accountable for their actions or statements.
Nor does it mean I am right but the difference is, I don't propagate verbal diarrhea.
If they put themselves out on a public forum then they will naturally have to face public comment, positive and negative.
Is it “sledging” to ask a simple question without a long winded reply or a link of an individual post to how great someone is, without clearly answering it?
Is it sledging when the reply contains an unusual amount of bull which is designed to confuse, lead people down another path or is full of self-proclamation, that someone questions the content of the reply?
What has been said time and time again has been just some friendly advice to those who maybe, “cannot see the forest for the trees”.
How they take it is up to them.

You will see a common theme with the replies no matter what the forum may be. My head hurts from looking at the well and truly over 20 plus forums that he has been involved in and unfortunately quite often……………….a lot of questions get asked and not many answers really. (yeah I have time off and got bored)

The thing is, once someone makes a comment on the net it is there forever. Have a look there is plenty about. Whether it be throttlehappy, throttlehappy46, throttlehappy346, iamhappy46 or any other “alias” (that’s what they say on current affair don’t they???), there is plenty of comment both positive and negative, how you view it is up to you. I'm just trying to make people aware.
Don’t get me wrong there is clearly some great stuff going on that the community, mainly on romraider sure does use and need, but how this fits in with the Subaru world and how we benefit from (time will tell). Some people sure do get around, LS1, multiple shopping trolley, nissan and pulsar forums to name a few (not to mention mazda and mitsu as well). Oh and don't forget the various multiple subaru forums and there are a few.
Comment is good for everybody.
So how does that make you feel for the “Subaru specialist” or whatever it is this year?, who is not only an engineer, but a mechanic and a motoring journalist as well………………….. wow there sure isn't enough hours in the day.
Now this may not be the correct place to say this, but believe me there are others out there that feel the same.
Now where did I leave that horse…………ahhh here it is ("sure is tall"), next to my flame suit and banned poster ha ha ha.
But that is what makes throttlehappy tunes different.................. yep I hate Bull-****!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:37 am 
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Abha93 wrote:
throttlehappy wrote:
Let me see... I know a few workshops now using my Long Term Fuel Trim hack(putting the LV D range above 80) since the EVO and other factory ECU's have a similar hack.


I changed mine based on the discussions on the RR forum. I have no idea where it originated from, and certainly won't just blindly copy tables out of other tunes for the heck of it, but it does seem to imply that some of these ideas are not yours exclusively. It took me a while to figure out I needed to add tune.hex to my LV folder :lol:

I don't think the vendor's section is the correct place to sledge TH, and hope that my questions doesn't come across as such - your willingness to share knowledge is greatly appreciated.


It was my 'testing' once td-d found the Min and Max values and I dont mind people using the information since 'safety first' is my priority. Most ROM's do not have the MAX value discovered(although it is easy to find) so I advocate the 80.1 to stabilise the tune in the 2.5L's as every one of them is the same.
Worst version I have seen is in a pre05 WRX, the tuner put in a D range value not realising that the 2L cars have higher Max values. I had lowered the Max value in the car they had copied it out of during a service so they used the D range value I had used... Result was -7% in Open Loop or 1.05 AFR leaner on boost than when it was tuned.

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:42 am 
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throttlehappy wrote:
It was my 'testing' once td-d found the Min and Max values and I dont mind people using the information since 'safety first' is my priority. Most ROM's do not have the MAX value discovered(although it is easy to find) so I advocate the 80.1 to stabilise the tune in the 2.5L's as every one of them is the same.


Yeah look, I'm sure you refined the idea, just like you developed your own take on per gear requested torque that Eric "discovered". All I'm saying is that it's a collaborative process, and a bit of a stretch to lay claim to the "D" range being your IP. I certainly haven't seen you blasting anyone on the RR forum for using it :)

To see multiple instances of your footprint simply copied by a monkey tuner is obviously another matter, and I can understand why it irks you. Sadly the only way people will learn is when their pistons melt out the exhaust.

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:58 am 
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Good job of getting banned from 3 forums.

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:38 pm 
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Good job of getting banned from 3 forums.


:ok: thats a nice achievement! I wonder what happened to Mannz?
Fark and I thought it was the snap crackle and pop that made Matts tunes different.

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Thread locked for the time being, until I have time to clean up this thread.

Damo, we've already been down this road back in the thread which was locked in April/May, and these new posts are pretty much a regurgitation of those old posts. Enough is enough methinks.


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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:59 pm 
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Abha93 wrote:
Yeah look, I'm sure you refined the idea, just like you developed your own take on per gear requested torque that Eric "discovered". All I'm saying is that it's a collaborative process, and a bit of a stretch to lay claim to the "D" range being your IP. I certainly haven't seen you blasting anyone on the RR forum for using it :)

To see multiple instances of your footprint simply copied by a monkey tuner is obviously another matter, and I can understand why it irks you. Sadly the only way people will learn is when their pistons melt out the exhaust.


Exactly, I do not consider that 'IP' since I have mentioned it in numerous posts here, rexnet(after someone said that was not the case of D influencing 40g/sec to 5V MAF) and RomRaider. First to do it and advocate its benefits ;)

Eric discovered it? It was in Cobb's software being used by quite a few people until it became Open Source. I avoided Cobb AP as was never able to use it locally... Once the tables were found, I used the same principles I was using for my per gear EVO X MR SST tunes. So since I developed the STi and LGT Per Gear Requested Torque tables, in use by atleast 10 tuners in the US that I know of, is that my IP or is it Open Source because I posted it on RR? My WRX and FXT tunes have per Gear RT tables to per gear WGDC control BUT also have per gear Target Boost control... I even posted WRX per gear WGDC/Target Boost stuff on RR for tuners to use :)
http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewtopi ... &start=143
Thing is... the 03-07 DBW I developed is capable of per gear boost and WGDC control on the pre-08's :shock: Hence why I consider it my Copyright Material.

Edit: Just irks me that when a tuner claims a revolutionary new DBW and uses my work/design as a base(called making an adaption of the work) Thankfully, I retuned a Liberty GT today that had the same 06-07 DBW, WGDC and Target Boost design in the tune stolen from me. Revised the tune, made it run the way it SHOULD and sure enough, more low rpm torque on less boost, better throttle response and the turbo sounds healtier with no lumpiness in the power delivery. Better fuel economy as well :D

Thankfully, the legislation is pretty clear cut

The moment an idea or creative concept is documented, on paper or electronically, it is automatically protected by copyright. Because it is automatic in Australia, there is no official registry or application process for copyright protection.

Copyright protection is provided under the Copyright Act 1968 and gives you exclusive rights to license others in regard to copying your work, performing it in public, broadcasting it, publishing it and making an adaptation of the work. Rights vary according to the nature of the work. Those for artistic works, for instance, are different from those for literary and musical works.

Copyright doesn't protect you against independent creation of a similar work. Legal actions against infringement are at times complicated by the fact that a number of different copyrights may exist in some works - particularly films, broadcasts and multimedia products.

Copyright laws differ from country to country, however Australia is party to a number of treaties that increase the copyright protection of international works.

The Australian Copyright Council provides more information on copyright, including international considerations.

CONSIDER USING A COPYRIGHT NOTICE

Although a copyright notice with the owner's name and date is not necessary in Australia, it can help prove your ownership of the copyright. Using a copyright notice can also act as a deterrent to potential infringers.

DURATION OF COPYRIGHT

Depending on the material, copyright for literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works generally lasts 70 years from the year of the author's death or from the year of first publication after the author's death.

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 Post subject: Re: Throttlehappy Tunes- What makes them different?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:53 pm 
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damo67 wrote:
Sorry Matt,
I am wrong................23 and counting. There is a theme in a lot of those forums mate............ and that it seems, is "buyer beware", or is that a poor uneducated assumption?

good luck justifying the negative comments which are on pretty much everyone of those links.

Nissan
http://www.almeraownersclub.com/members ... py46.3059/
http://forums.maxima.org/member.php?u=84173
http://www.sr20forum.com/2476851-post20.html
http://www.boostcruising.com.au/forums/ ... user=50117
http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showthread.p ... ion-Timing
http://www.maximasdownunder.org/forums/ ... =44&t=3038
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread ... 3cdc6475ac
Subaru
http://forum.wrx.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=46&p=849628
http://www.rexnet.com.au/forum/index.ph ... ge__st__10
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin ... xt-114631/
http://legacygt.com/forums/member.php?u=57246
http://forum.liberty.asn.au/viewtopic.p ... &start=345
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... p=39399800
Holden
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread. ... Iamhappy46
http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au/sh ... ?t=8522600
Banned
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94704
http://www.maximasdownunder.org/forums/ ... 38&start=0
http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showthread.p ... -Drift-Car!
Tuning
http://forums.openecu.org/viewtopic.php ... 33da683e21
http://www.plxdevices.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=4162
Ummm
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbullet ... p?u=174964
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic884217.htm
http://coffscoastcruisers.myfreeforum.o ... t_186.html

sorry mate your right no brazzers ha ha ha

Whats my point!

Well no wonder you are soooo busy.,


Banned?
gtplanet... not me and as such, never been banned from there. Seeing though it was a bit difficult to have a work car when I had no licence and my SS ute was tuned on a Mainline dyno with just a little bit more power than that. I have grammar OCD, two 'and' in one sentence would have driven me crazy, let alone a lower case i at start of a sentence or no full stops!
Maxima forum, because my contact email expired at my old ISP. Happy to reactivate it if I ever buy a Maxima though. I can think of 4 or 5 forum members who have been to my house that have seen the car in question though.
Pulsar forum? Account 'suspended' under avatar but not changed back to the offensive word I had in there that was the same as the SR20 forum one. I occasionally log in and could post if you like?
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So 0 out of 3 for being banned :drinks:
Does that count as Libel from your 'claim'?

Automotive helper and automotive forum are the same forum... different Domain names.
However, read this: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbullet ... p?t=921287 and tell me if it was full of enough BS, confusing statements and technical jargon to confuse the masses?
Does PLX count for a customer inquiry? Although, are the other posts technical/confusing/full of BS enough for you?
CCC's forum? grubb(Ken) and a few other local guys saw the car as did a few other people(including Mercury Motorsport who replaced the transfer case after it was sold) and I got my licence back in 2011 after the club folded. Not driving cars has plenty of free time for playing with cars(and not the fantasy footbal kind) but seriously, I usually get my wife to take photos of things I am doing, I am the worlds worst photographer.

Yes, 2 or 3 forums I missed but with the amount of technical advice provided well... who can blame me for forgetting a few. I count 19... you did count the 'banned' ones more than once :dontknow:
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